Toronto-based Designed Wealth Management is an independent introducing brokerage firm with $550M in assets under management and a mission to put client experience first. As a new firm, “we really wanted the top-level technology that we could find,” says CEO, Gillian Kunza who selected Mako Fintech as the solution provider for their IIROC channel Designed Securities.
The firm has over a dozen new advisors in less than a year, and is growing quickly. The Mako Fintech system allowed Designed to easily perform bulk repaperings in record time for each one.
Using Mako, Designed can onboard new investors through their advisors, at the carrying broker level, in a matter of minutes. By leveraging Mako’s integrations with Dataphile and Aviso Correspondent Partners, the firm allows clients to start transacting immediately. Gillian explains that even with other technology providers, this type of action can take upwards of two weeks to complete.
We sat down with Gillian at her Toronto office to unpack her journey with Mako. We asked her about her selection criteria, any concerns she had, what the process was like, and wanted to learn more about the experience she’s set out to create with Designed Wealth Management. Watch the full interview here:
The transcript of this interview is available below.
“When you use technology, and that’s pretty much any technology, there’s an inherent expectation for speed and accuracy. Clients these days and advisors don’t even want to wait a single second on a page or have to type something in more than once if they don’t have to. With that expectation, it’s hard to find solutions that keep people happy, especially because there are so many components and perspectives that you have to consider - with head office, with clients, with advisors…so for us, it’s really exciting that we have a partner with Mako and they understand that expectation.
My name is Gillian Kunza and I’m the Co-Founder and Director of Designed Wealth Management. We’re a wealth management platform that serves advisors across all regulatory channels. In the last seven months, we’ve had a lot of activity in our IIROC channel Designed Securities. We’ve had a dozen advisors join us with a few more on the horizon, and we now have about $550M in assets under management.
...we were seeking top security as well as something that would be really simple to use for clients and advisors, as well as our staff.
As a new firm, we were looking at what our solution would be for electronic onboarding and forms. There are a lot of options out there, a lot of different solutions, but we really wanted the top-level technology that we could find. So we were seeking top security as well as something that would be really simple to use for clients and advisors, as well as our staff, which a lot of solutions don’t really accomplish. So that was pretty key in coming up with Mako.
Our biggest concern was flexibility. We’ve used other systems in the past and the problem we found was that when we wanted to make even a small change, it took weeks to make. Or what we thought was quite simple, was something the developers simply couldn’t do for us. So we were pretty skeptical going into this process to make sure that when we did our due diligence, the company was able to show us that they have agile development, and can be really flexible with what our needs are. [Also] Mako had already partnered with our carrying broker, Aviso Correspondent Partners, and we thought it was important to leverage that integration that was already in place.”
“We use Mako daily because of the amount of accounts we’re opening right now. We also work with our advisors to get feedback and new ideas for how Mako could be used in the future - for other features or ideas that they want to see - so we’re really working with Mako day-to-day every hour of the day.
Advisors can see what workflows are waiting with their clients…Our compliance officers can have an idea of how much volume is coming at them…and advisors can even see which compliance officer is working on their account.
Everybody is using the same system and living inside the same ecosystem, so what clients use is what advisors use, and that’s what head office uses, and that’s what goes to our carrying broker. So for us, we can see where something is along the way, and that’s not just us but that’s also advisors. Advisors can see what workflows are waiting with their clients, who’s opened a workflow, who started it…Our compliance officers can have an idea of how much volume is coming at them, and they can see if things are waiting for clients to sign them or advisors, and advisors can even see which compliance officer is working on their account. So the overall transparency from everyone’s perspective is completely critical for what we have going on.
There’s something about the system that just brings everything together and makes it really really efficient. So it’s hard to imagine how many more people we would have had to hire just to get through our last seven months.”
“The main factor is that it saves a lot of time. When we’ve talked with other advisors, we know that with other systems an account can take upwards of two weeks to open. With Mako, it can take sometimes 15 or 20 minutes to get an account opened at the carrying broker, where you can start putting money into the client’s account and doing transactions.
Mako is taking the work out of paperwork. It’s taking forms, it’s taking things clients need to sign, and it’s making a seamless workflow.
By choosing Mako you’ll save time, you’ll have a collaborative partner, and you’ll really be able to set up your business for the things you want to do and accomplish in the future. Mako can work with any firm. From a fundamental standpoint, Mako is taking the work out of paperwork. It’s taking forms, it’s taking things clients need to sign, and it’s making a really seamless workflow. So the clients of Mako - it’s an endless number of users that can use the system. Advisors can advocate to use the system…there’s any number of people that will find the same benefit, by using Mako.”
It’s really important that your technology partner understands your audience and understands who you’re serving, which is the Canadian investor. With Mako, we found it extremely valuable that they understood that. So when we worked with their team they understood that everything we were doing was impacting a Canadian client that our advisors are working with, and we didn’t have to convince them that those are the people they’re making these changes for - not us, but really the end client.
...a client has to have a near-perfect experience and there need to be near-perfect results for the experience to be a positive one …they understand that and they more than deliver.
Basically, a client has to have a near-perfect experience and there needs to be near-perfect results for the experience to be a positive one - so we’re really fortunate to have found Mako because they understand that and they more than deliver.
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So in my view an appropriately diversified portfolio should have enough exposure to different asset classes, that its able to withstand a wide range of market disruptions. Usually, it’s some kind of negative or positive event… they’ll affect different asset classes differently. So by having your eggs in different baskets you’ll be well insulated from major risk. For example, there’s some kind of change in the housing market… both by having some exposure to it, you won’t miss out on the opportunity to make money. But if it’s something negative, you’re also not going to lose all your money if all of it were in the housing market for example. So at a high level, a properly diversified portfolio should grow in a growing market and yet not be at risk of major losses in a declining market.
You asked also about an efficiently diversified portfolio, and I would say that that’s a portfolio that achieves those goals with a minimum of different positions. There’s a lot of good reasons to have fewer positions in your portfolio. Being less complex means a portfolio is easier to rebalance and administer. Every time part of your portfolio goes up or down, you're going to need to rebalance it a little to make sure that it stays with the right allocations and the fewer positions you have, the easier it is to do that..the less trading fees you incur doing that.
There is a tradeoff between being completely diversified and being efficiently diversified. If you were completely diversified then you’d have a proportional segment of absolutely everything you could invest in under the sun, like shares of palm oil futures or something like that. I don’t think everyone should have palm oil futures in their portfolio but I’m not a wealth manager. I think it comes down to your portfolio and how large it is (probably the Canada Pension Plan has a proportion of palm oil futures in it). You’re going to have to talk to your advisor and choose a degree of complexity that’s right for your portfolio.
CN: Let’s just take a step back - what does a typical portfolio look like and has that changed over time?
RB: Yeah, so I'm not entirely sure what a typical portfolio looks like these days because it's actually changed quite a lot over time. I think common wisdom used to be that the classic balanced portfolio was 60% public stocks and 40% bonds. These days that's ancient history. Most would say that the bond allocation should be a lot lower these days in this age of unprecedented low-interest rates. These days it’s the stock portfolio that’s been driving a lot of the growth. I think a well-diversified portfolio in the modern era should absolutely include exposure to all kinds of alternative assets (that aren't even really that alternative but still kind of fall out of that traditional bucket). So you know I mentioned real estate, private companies, maybe for example commodities or other types of investments. So I think that there are a lot of things that you can invest in and your advisor can guide you on what’s appropriate for you.
CN: Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Talking about alternative investments, we’ve heard a lot this year about ESGs, impact investing, alternative investments… do you think there’s more of an appetite today for these types of investments than in the last ten years?
RB: Yeah that’s a topic that’s close to my heart having previously started an impact investment company. It’s definitely been a gigantic increase in interest. I think when I started my previous company we were speaking to large wealth managers and having them say “we’re barely getting a grip on early ideas.” Like not including gun manufacturers or tobacco companies, and now these same companies are launching impact portfolios and marketing this aggressively. So there’s definitely been a seat change, it’s a real industry, and there’s a lot of studies out there and data showing that ESG or impact investing can equal or outperform non-impact investments. So I think it’s a huge part of the market these days. That said, one of the things that’s driving it is people’s interest in it. I think that one of the stories of the investment industry has been the personalization of it. People’s portfolios are being tailored to their own needs and circumstances. Impact investing is definitely a piece of that. People are environmentalists, but an institution is not an environmentalist. It doesn’t live and breathe the impact on the environment the way an individual does. The person who is active in the David Suzuki Foundation for example is going to be active as an impact investor and it’s appropriate for them to be.
That’s a great question. I think there's a lot of advantages and you gain a lot with an automated platform. For me, it's a lot easier to manage. I have some of my money in one of these platforms and I barely think about it. It's being rebalanced all the time. The costs are much lower in terms of expense ratio for the same kind of rebalancing. Again you're missing a lot with that, but on just the mechanical portfolio rebalancing you're getting a great deal there. I would say that two other advantages are up-to-the-minute reporting, so you always have that login where you can see your position, see how your portfolio is doing historically. And finally, this is an advantage for me and anyone who doesn't love doing taxes, but typically they’ll take care of your tax forms for you, and end up with much simpler tax forms, so it kind of works out what your cost basis was and how much you have to report.
CN: So let's talk about the other side of the coin then...what are the risks of not having a seasoned professional managing your money?
RB: I wouldn’t exactly phrase the question that way. You know it's more what’s the benefits of having a real wealth manager? Some of the clients of robo advisory firms may not even be aware that they're missing out. A wealth manager isn't just balancing your stocks and bonds, that's kind of the very lowest mechanical level of what you get out of the wealth manager. Really they're your advisor on your life. Intimately intertwined with you because you're thinking about retirement planning, on planning for college for your kids, when is the right time to buy a house, and when should you get life insurance, for example. An advisor can help you with all of those decisions and they can connect you with service providers like a mortgage broker when you may be in need of one. So I think that you get a lot of value out of having one of these advisers, particularly when you get to a stage in life when these kinds of services are more about the long-term and your life circumstances are far more critical.
CN: There are clearly pros and cons and two sides of the story depending on who you're asking. Like you said, what stage of their life they’re in ...but do you think the platforms that we’re seeing emerging like to Qtrade, Wealthsimple, and all the rest will ever become status quo?
RB: Yeah, I do actually. I think that similarly to how you know we’re using online platforms to automate everything for us (I can’t think of the last time I used to travel for example), everything you’re going to be trying to do with your money is going to be automated, and it’s going to be appropriate to be handled by one of these one of these platforms. In particular, for most people at an early stage in their lives that have few assets to manage, not a lot of complexity, not a very extended personal family circumstance, it’s gonna make a lot of sense to have a low fee robo worry about it. But at some point their life circumstances are going to get more complex and you’re gonna get married, or maybe you’re not, or you may have other objectives that you may want some advice on and at that point it may make sense to either supplement the robo advisory portion of your portfolio, or graduate to a more holistic wealth management view.
CN: Thank you so much Raph, these answers were great. It’s always insightful chatting with you so thanks for sharing those answers with us today.
RB: It’s my pleasure.